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Sea Breeze
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Brother Ted, Theocratic Economics and Card Run-outs
by Duncan indear all,.
i nearly met up with brother ted f. the other day.
i say nearly, because i arrived round my mothers house just a few minutes after he left.
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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@Anony Mous
I held back many things when reporting on this issue because I realize how existentially many people are invested into their anti-Christian world-view, doubtless because of the incredible abuses we all suffered from the WT who presented themselves as "Christian", which it is definitely not. I know that it may feel hurtful and personal when presented with data contrary to a previously held belief, but I can assure this data is not personal toward you or anyone else.
The reality is that the situation is really far worse than I reported. Even I couldn't have predicted the firestorm that is just now gearing up. Among cosmologists, we are starting to hear words being bandied around like "PANIC", UNPLEASANT SURPRISES", "JWST’s IMAGES ARE BLATANTLY AND REPEATEDLY CONTRADICTING THE BIG BANG HYPOTHESIS", etc.
The new data from JWST is causing Alison Kirkpatrick, an astronomer at the University of Kansas in Lawrence, to lie awake in bed at 3am in the morning "wondering if everything I’ve done is wrong.”
This article from Mind Matters tells it like it is:
JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE SHOWS BIG BANG DIDN’T HAPPEN? ... wait
Subtitle: The unexpected new data coming back from the telescope are inspiring panic among astronomers
As a side note:
Coming soon is the HowTheLightGetsIn festival in London (September 17–18, 2022) sponsored by the Institute for Art and Ideas (IAI), as a participant in the “Cosmology and the Big Bust” debate.
The upcoming debate, which features philosopher of science Bjørn Ekeberg and Yale astrophysicist Priyamvada Natarajan, along with Lerner, is premised as follows:
The Big Bang theory crucially depends on the ‘inflation’ hypothesis that at the outset the universe expanded many orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light. But experiments have failed to prove evidence of cosmic inflation and since the theory’s inception it has been beset by deep puzzles. Now one of its founders, Paul Steinhardt has denounced the theory as mistaken and ‘scientifically meaningless’.
Stay tuned!
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Sea Breeze
from the dots I had connected it appears to me that even that first resurrection wouldn't start until the last day.( instead of an ongoing resurrection as soon as people die )
Correct enough is enough. 2 Cor. 5: 8 says that believers are present with the Lord when they die and are absent from the body.
But, this is not a resurrection. A resurrection occurs when the body is raised. The reason that the WT has to claim an "ongoing resurrection" is because they teach that nothing happens at death..... other than ceasing to exist and unconsciousness. This is a very ear-tickling teaching. Jesus says otherwise and the stakes are much higher. We will also by be conscious somewhere.
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul" - Jesus
So where I am sitting, I don't think the first resurrection has started where in immorality is put on, let alone the second resurrection.
Agreed, except for Jesus. He was bodily resurrected with a "glorified" body. After his resurrection, he was able to appear in rooms without walking in. Yet, he said that he was not a spirit and invited others to touch him. He was fully resurrected (reconstituted in body, soul & spirit) and went to heaven that way. Scripture says when he appears at the sound of the trump, "we shall be like him". -
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Reasons for doubting.
by New day insomebody mentioned in a recent topic that they had a conversation with a former elder whose breaking point was when the overlapping generation was highlighted in recent times and how he would never serve again until somebody gave him a scriptural reason to believe it.
i am in a similar position.
i have gone in the last 18 months from taking the wt study, leading fs groups, and doing talks on the mtngs to doing almost nothing, as i resigned a little over a year ago as an elder due to a combination of family responsibilities and huge doubts.
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Sea Breeze
I left after the Nov. issue of the WT came out where they gutted the generation doctrine. I never looked back.
That was almost 27 years ago. I'm surprised more didn't leave then. To me it was almost as big as 1975....which I remember as a 12 year old. Both failed predictions were very damaging to me. I learned my lesson... don't need a third time.
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Jehovah's Witnesses resume sidewalk carts after pandemic pause, soon will do door knocking
by Bangalore injehovah's witnesses resume sidewalk carts after pandemic pause, soon will do door knocking.. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2022/08/05/jehovahs-witnesses-resume-sidewalk-carts-door-knocking-next-list/10168175002/.
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Sea Breeze
Years and years ago I quit meeting after Sunday meeting for service-by the time everyone got their lunch and out into the territory ( miles away ) you only got a door or two and people were ready to go home.
Awww the memories. Thanks for the reminder e is e. In the old days we would also do rural witnessing where we would take a sack lunch. Street witnessing in downtown Houston also comes to mind when I was a kid. We'd end up at James Coney Island for chili dogs on cold days.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Sea Breeze
Well, that certainly seems reasonable considering it seems to be just that -- a fairytale (sic).
Only to those that have not researched the evidence for The Resurrection that changed world history forever.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Sea Breeze
Boogerman,
You are correct that you have wandered off the WT plantation a bit. Maybe I should have credited you for that. But why not take the time to first discover sound Christian doctrine? The bible is clear that there is such a thing:
1Ti_1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Tit_1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit_2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
My take: No one is resurrected to heaven, and everyone is resurrected to perfect life on earth - in 2 stages:
Scripture says that our "citizenship is in heaven", that "we will always be with the Lord", The souls of slain believers are seen in heaven in Rev. 6
1st: the righteous, those who died believing in Christ, with living Christians changed in "the twinkling of an eye."
But I would not have you ignorant, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and arose again, so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall be forever with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. - 1 Thess. 4
Christian believers yet alive, and those that have died (Christian era souls in heaven) are resurrected / changed at the same event - the rapture.
2nd: The unrighteous, unbelievers/unknowing of Christ, at the end of Christ's millennium.
This is in line with sound doctrine.
Since a) the ransom immediately restores what was lost, i.e. Adamic perfection, every human being will have perfect human bodies - they will not have to "grow" to physical perfection. (w75 5/1 p. 278 par. 28) and
Agreed. You are describing the doctrine of Glorification where the sin nature is completely eradicated and our bodies are made fit for life in heaven AND earth.
b) a ransom can only restore what was actually lost: 144,000 immortal Melchizedek king/priests appearing in heaven from earth perverts the truth of what Adam actually forfeited. (he never lost a heavenly hope for any of his descendants!)
Jesus is rightfully called the First and the Last and “the firstborn from the dead,” because he was the first & last human to be resurrected to heaven. (Revelation 1:17; Acts 26:23; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:5)This cannot be accurate because Jesus comes and the end of the tribulation all the way to earth (as opposed to in the air/clouds at the rapture) with his saints. This event is spoken of in both the OT and the NT.
ZECHARIAH 14:3-5
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst of it toward the east, and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And you shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal: yes, you shall flee, like you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with you.
1 THESSALONIANS 3:13 (Paul)
13 To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
JUDE 14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with tens of thousands [millions] of his saints.
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Sea Breeze
neat blue dog,
Keep in mind that the illiterate ramblings and definitions of the WT are not shared by biblical scholars and are cause for incredible "face in palm" cringing when even reading their ideas.
Let's unpack it:1. Jesus went bodily to heaven in the same body he was crucified with.
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
Jesus is in heaven right now in his same crucified body (albeit a "glorified body" fit for heaven AND earth) and will come again in that same body:
“Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
This is a most critical Christian topic because if Christ’s body was not resurrected, we have no hope that ours will be (1 Corinthians 15:13, 16). In fact, apart from Christ’s bodily resurrection, we have no Savior, no salvation, and no hope of eternal life. As the apostle Paul said, our faith would be “useless” and the life-giving power of the gospel would be altogether eliminated.
This is why the WT denies the bodily resurrection of Christ. It is inherently connected to our salvation, which the WT seeks to steal from mankind in a number of heretical ways.
2. Believers will always be with Jesus and like Jesus with a "glorified body" just like the one that Jesus has now....
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." - 1 John 3:2-3
The three great doctrines of Christianity were utterly ignored or badly scrambled by Russell because he had absolutely no training. He was just a men's clothing salesman who believed that he himself was personally prophesied in scripture. He was a sociopathic madman. We must never forget this.
The three great doctrines of Christianity are Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification. The definitions of these biblical hopes are described in detail all over the internet in numerous Christian sites from different denominations. These three doctrines don't change even though Christians may disagree on non-essential doctrines.
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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Sea Breeze
The scientific process, by definition, is going to yield incorrect results most of the time.
@MeanMrMustard
Theories are tested by making predictions and then testing to see if those predictions come true.... just as I have done here on this thread. How many failures need to be experienced before a paradigm like the Big Bang is discarded?
This is a well-known process in how science progresses. I believe we are reaching critical mass in a number of scientific disciplines, at least for some scientists. This is a very exciting time in science.
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Sea Breeze
So the WT presents the GB as:
1. the rightful rulers of the earth
2. God's mouthpiece
3. the nanny of all of God's "belongings"
Then they get upset when JW's treat them like rock stars and tell them to knock it off? What gives? The reactions are appropriate if what they claim about themselves is true.
The reality is that it is embarrassing to be idolized like that. It is totally anti-Christian But, they caused it, not the R&F.